The First 'Birther' Was Bill Clinton...

Submitted by SadInAmerica on Mon, 01/11/2010 - 4:45am.

In this context, it should be noted that Bill Clinton was apparently aware of the forgery as early as Obama's birthday in 2008...

"Birther" is the derogatory appellation used by Obama supporters to ridicule those who ask why Obama won't show his birth certificate.

Late last night, The Post & Email published the results of recent investigation of the issue, by a citizen journalist, which explain that the Hawaii Department of Health knows Obama's alleged birth certificate (displayed on the Internet as an electronic image of a Certification of Live Birth) is a forgery.

In this context, it should be noted that Bill Clinton was apparently aware of the forgery as early as Obama's birthday in 2008.

He made these comments on Good Morning America.  You can view the video here.

The comment was mentioned by the Associated Press, in an unsigned report filed the same day:

"I never was mad at Sen. Obama," the former president said. "I think everybody's got a right to run for president who qualifies under the Constitution. And I'd be the last person to begrudge anybody their ambition."

Evidently no one at the AP was willing to take the heat for even repeating the comment. But one political scientist explained what Clinton meant by his statement:

If you notice, at the beginning of the video, Bill makes a comment about Obama being held to a different standard than others who have run for president, but he also said (around the 44 second mark): "That everybody has a right to run for president as long as they're qualified under the Constitution" (emphasis mine).

Here's the thing - I have followed Bill's political career for a long time (and I have studied it closely because I am a political scientist) and he did NOT say this accidentally. This is a message to TexasDarlin' (I am sure he knows all about her posts and her reports) to keep pressing in on the citizenship/birth certificate issue.

NOTE... That is NOT what Bill Clinton said. We're just reading between the lines, perhaps hopefully.

Though I can probably never prove this (and Bill would likely deny it, if he were ever confronted with it), I know that Bill was trying to say - "keep going!"

TexasDarlin was a blog from Texas, published by a female supporter of Hillary Clinton. The blog has been temporarily revived on the Internet in support of Scott Brown's candidacy; however, the blog posts no longer exists on the web.

In response to Clinton's comment, the obvious conclusion was being drawn within hours of Clinton's comment:  "Is Obama qualified under the constitution?", asked JohnF, a platinum member, at, at 3 PM that afternoon.

The qualifications required by a presidential Candidate are stated in the original text of the U.S. Constitution, in Article II, section i, clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Certainly Bill Clinton was not disputing that Obama was at least 35 years old!

And certainly he was not disputing that Obama had been a resident of the United States since 1994!

So the only thing left, is the natural born citizenship issue.  And that would mean that Clinton was reminding us that to be a natural born citizen one must be born

1) On U.S. soil

2) of a father who is a U.S. Citizen, and

3) of a mother who is a U.S. Citizen,

4) each of which 3 criteria must be true at the moment of birth

For more information about the natural born citizenship requirement, see The Post & Email's article on the 4 Supreme Court Cases which have defined what this term means, following what Emmerich de Vattel wrote in his treatise, The Law of Nations.

Few dispute that Obama's mother was not a U.S. Citizen. Though there is speculation about who she was, especially among Hillary supporters.

Few doubt that Obama's father was Barack Obama Senior, a British subject; and it has been conclusively shown that if Obama's birth story is true, that he is presently a British subject, still.

And many wonder if Obama was in fact born in Kenya, especially after an eye-witness says that is what Obama claimed in 1980.

The disclosure of Obama's original vital records will alone settle these doubts and clarify for all time, the issue of Obama's eligibility.  The question is, "where are they being kept?", and that depends on where he was born.

John Charlton - January 11, 2010 - source ThePosteMail

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Submitted by SadInAmerica on Mon, 01/11/2010 - 4:45am.


P90X (not verified) | Mon, 02/01/2010 - 1:19am

Thanks for posting the reliable information about natural born citizenship requirements.

Anonymous (not verified) | Mon, 01/11/2010 - 5:34pm

Obama was born in Hawaii, as his official birth certificate from Hawaii shows. The facts on it were twice confirmed by the authorities in Hawaii, members of a Republican governor's administration.

As for the Kenya myth, this is what the National Review says:

"The theory that Obama was born in Kenya, that he was smuggled into the U.S., and that his parents somehow hoodwinked Hawaiian authorities into falsely certifying his birth in Oahu, is crazy stuff.”

forseti (not verified) | Sun, 01/31/2010 - 12:55pm

All any of the media has been doing is reading and repeating what was written on the birth certificate. That is not the issue. The U.S. Constitution is the issue. The first paragraph of the United States Supreme Court's website makes the following promise to the American People - “As the final arbiter of the law, the Court is charged with ensuring the American people the promise of equal justice under law and, thereby, also functions as guardian and interpreter of the Constitution.” To date, the United States Supreme Court has failed to do anything in furtherance of the search for the truth about Obama's natural born citizen status. Furthermore, not one single solitary person or agency in the Executive, Legislative, or the rest of the Judicial branch of government has done anything other than accept Obama’s posted Certification of Live Birth as conclusive evidence of his alleged birthplace.

Mr. Obama claims that he was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961. As his only evidence that he meets the Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution’s requirement that a President be a natural born citizen, he produced a document called a “Certification of Live Birth,” which he posted on his website under the title: “Barack Obama’s Official Birth Certificate.”

At first blush, it is case closed. A closer examination of the facts, however, reveals that Mr. Obama failed to point out on his website that his posted “Official Birth Certificate,” as he called it, is actually a 2007 computer-generated, laser-printed summary document of his 1961 vital record(s) on file with the Hawaii State Department of Health. What we do not know, however, is what 1961 vital record the Certification of Live Birth is summarizing.

In 1961 there were at least six different procedures available to obtain a vital record (birth certificate) that the Certification of Live Birth could be summarizing. Five of the six procedures lacked adequate indicia of reliability and trustworthiness because they were fraught with the potential for fraud. That said, an “official” state-issued document that summarizes a document that lacks an adequate indicia of reliability and trustworthiness is not worth the paper it is printed on. Scans of the original Hawaii Revised Laws from that era can be found at .

Why does all of this matter? This nation can not risk having a President who may harbor divided loyalties because the President of the United States is one of the three branches of government. He is the Executive branch. The nation speaks to all people through one voice, the President’s. The President can make treaties, grant pardons, sign and veto legislation, appoint a Cabinet, as well as Supreme Court Justices. In addition to these duties, the President knows the nation’s most important and secure secrets, and as the Commander in Chief of the military, has the military’s nuclear launch codes at the ready, and who can arguably, either take steps to weaken the nation, or even destroy it. In the words of Vice President Dick Cheney, “The president of the United States now for 50 years is followed at all times, 24 hours a day, by a military aide carrying a football that contains the nuclear codes that he would use and be authorized to use in the event of a nuclear attack on the United States. He could launch the kind of devastating attack the world has never seen. He doesn’t have to check with anybody. He doesn’t have to call the Congress. He doesn’t have to check with the courts. He has that authority because of the nature of the world we live in.”

I'll close this post with a quote: "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

Anonymous (not verified) | Mon, 01/11/2010 - 5:31pm

Re: "Hawaii Department of Health knows Obama's alleged birth certificate (displayed on the Internet as an electronic image of a Certification of Live Birth) is a forgery. "

The officials in Hawaii, members of a Republican governor's administration, have twice confirmed the facts on Obama's posted official birth certificate that Obama was born in Hawaii.

The Wall Street Journal said:

"Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn."